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since martin luther king inspired a generation with his dream for america. we'll ask our sunday panel about the games of the past half century and where the civil rights movement stands today. all right now on "fox news sunday." hello again from fox news in washington. there are reports and shocking video out of syria this
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week that seem to show the assad regime is engaged in the largest use of chemical weapons since saddam hussein attacked his people a quarter century ago. bob returned. we are told u.s. navy ships are moving closer to the coast of syria. president obama says this is a big event of grave concern but the president then adds we need to act deliberately. >> what we've seen is that folks will call for immediate action jumping into stuff that does not turn out well. gets us mired in very difficult situations.
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>> senator corker, how much proof does president obama need, and if he decide that bashir el assad used chemical weapons on a large scale against his people, what should he do? >> chris, the amount of social media coming out of syria indicates this is not something where opposition forces have contrived something. i think it's very evident that regime has acted in this way. i do think it's always good to be cautious, but my sense is that this has happened. i think we will respond in a surgical way. i hope the president, soon as we get back to washington, will ask for authorization from congress to do something at a very surgical and proportional way. something that gets their attention, that causes them to understand we are not going to put up with this kind of activity. at the same time, i hope it's the kind of action that doesn't move us away from the policy we have right now where we want to see the syrian opposition group
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taking the lead on the ground. i hope we'll move our training up. i know we are doing it covertly now. i think we need to move to more industrial strength training on the ground. we need to tilt the balance a little bit more as it relates to the opposition group on the ground. i don't want our actions that are in response to this chemical warfare to alter that. i do think we have to respond. >> let me ask you -- >> senator, let me pick up on two parts of that. you say wait until congress comes back. you think the world can afford to wait a couple more weeks? when you talk about a surgical action, what are you saying? air strikes? either missile strikes or jet fighter strikes or offshore, long distance? >> i think there are numbers of things we can do from the ships we have based off the coast and other things we can do from countries nearby. you're aware we have people on
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the ground in very nearby locations. obviously not boots on the ground. i do think we will take action. additional activities, we should respond. i think it's time for us to take a step up and take responsibilities here, too. my guess is they will. i've been talking with this recently this week. i think they will come back. i think they will ask congress for authorization. i hope elliot and i will work together to make that happen, but i do think you are going to see actions taking place there. i do hope the united states force group will be able to get in and verify what's happening. even if not, i think there are indications that this is real. this was not contrived. obviously, the world is a better place when the united states takes leadership.
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this is time for us to do this. i hope we will do it soon. >> let me bring in congressman angel. does it make sense for the u.s. military to take action should the effort be to topple assad or to punish him, to basically warn him no more use of chemical weapons? what is your sense of the time frame? >> i think we have to act rather quickly. i think the horrific killings of people murdering his own people, he's been doing it for a while now, but obviously the gas that was used to kill his own people, i think we have to respond. i think we have to respond in conjunction with our nato allies. we have to respond much, i think, as was done in libya with the nato allies. and i think we cannot afford to sit back and wait we certainly cannot wait for the united nations. the russians are there to block everything with their veto. i look at this situation as
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analagous to cose voechlt kosovo. the russians were blocking any kind of resolution in the u.s. we should act and should act for humanitarian puf humanitarian purposes and it's in our -- >> how would you react? missile strikes, enforcing the no-fly zone? >> i would certainly do cruise and missile strikes. you can do that with without boots on the ground, without having americans in harm's way. you can destroy the runways, you could destroy his munitions and destroy his fuel. there are lots and lots of things we could do. we could even destroy the syrian air force if we wanted to. i set a letter to general
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dempsey to ask what options want we do. we have to move and move quickly. i agree congress needs to be involved. but perhaps not initially. perhaps the president could start and then congress needs to resolve it and ascent to it. we cannot sit still. we've got to move and move quickly. it's a dangerous neighborhood. let's turn to egypt. former dictator mubarak was released from prison, sent to a military hospital with surprisingly little public protest. at the same time the elected president muhammed morsi remains in custody. the white house continues to say that a coup is not a coup. take a look. >> we concluded that it's not in the best interest of the united states to reach a determination on a coup. that is a decision that will be set aside and that we will evaluate our assistance to the
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egyptians. >> senator corker, is it time to choose a side in this struggle? the military or the muslim brotherhood? and how do you feel about the fact we are continuing to withhold, not cut off but withhold at least half our military aid this year to the egyptian military? should we go ahead and release that? >> look, chris, there are all kinds of machinations relative to the aid and whether it's obligated. at the end of the day, we had the same kind of relationship with the egyptian military 35 years. i think it's time for us to recalibrate it as i said many times. on the other hand we have 11,000 military officers in the egyptian military that have trained in the united states. they rely upon our country for parts. i think each year we ship about 35,000 parts to the military. certainly we want them to continue to function. look, we need to have a healthy
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relationship with the military there. it looks over the last few days that they've been acting in a way that certainly has created security, but not stepping over the top. i think we are beginning, hopefully, i know this is maybe a few days of calmness, but we are beginning to move in the right direction. i think all of us know sometimes we try to move too quickly towards democracy. we authentthink elections make democracy occur. sometimes the governance piece doesn't follow. i'm beginning to see things take shape in a way that i think make sense. no doubt there will be some suspensions. we are going to keep that relationship. it is in our national interest. we have first priority in the suez canal. it's important to americans and important to us to have security in that region. >> excuse me, sir. let me bring in congressman engle. time to choose a side in egypt? >> if i've got to choose a side
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from the united states point of view between muslim brotherhood and military, i would certainly not choose the muslim brotherhood. we need to nudge the military toward democracy and push them towards the civilian rule. we had a 35-year relationship with them. it's time to use that relationship with them. we need to work with them. morsi from the muslim brotherhood, in my opinion, was trying to destroy democracy in egypt. the united states needs to look at our interests. you know they do give us over flights over egypt. they put our ships in priority in the suez canal. i don't like when they kill people we have to stand and nudge them, but i think the military relationship we had with the military, i think it needs to continue and we need to work with them. >> another story, the nsa story
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where it seems that almost every day there is another revelation that comes out about the fact that the nsa, our government had access to more information, communications involving americans than we had suspected or thought, that they have violated their own rules in collecting thousands of domestic e-mails. senator corker, you have called for the head of the nsa, general keith alexander to brief congress when you get back in september. let me ask you a direct question, sir. as the top republican on senate foreign relations, as you sit here today, do you feel you actually know what the government is and isn't doing in surveilling americans? >> no. i mean i don't think -- there are many people work harder than i do. i'm not on the intelligence committee. obviously, they are privy to information that i am not. absolutely not. that's why i wrote a letter this week to the president, ask that
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the head of this organization come in and brief folks from top to bottom to explain every program that's under way, understand so we can understand its intent and to understand how appropriate oversight is taking place. look, i appreciate efforts to keep americans secure. at the same time, this is in front of us. we are not in front of it. every day there are stories, as you judge just mentioned, that are leaked out. the american people want to know that those of us who are elected, elliot and i, understand fully what's happening here. i don't think we do. i would imagine there are even members of the intelligence committee themselves that don't fully understand the gambit of things taking place. it's our responsibility to know those things, to ensure they're in balance, and i hope as soon as we get back there will be a full briefing from top to bottom so that can happen. >> we have just about a minute left. congressman engle, some time back you voted against
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re-authorization of the patriot act. how far would you go in limiting government surveillance of americans? >> you know we had an amendment to the appropriations bill cutting off the funding for the nsa surveillance. i voted against that because i don't think you can just cut off a program. you need to replace it with something. i am troubled by the things coming out day after day showing that we have not really been told the truth. i do think that congress needs to revisit this whole issue and come up with a plan. what i've seen so far is really unsatisfactory. i'm troubled by that. we need to revamp the program. >> thank you for coming in today. we'll stay on top of all these stories. >> thank you.
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up next, a thrill killing in appalled at the behavior of these three children. >> shock and outrage on two continents after prosecutors say a group of teens murdered an australian college student because they were bored. we'll speak with the governor of oklahoma and the d.a. handling the case. vo: two years of grad school. 20 years with the company. thousands of presentations. and one hard earned partnership. it took a lot of work to get this far. so now i'm supposed to take a back seat when it comes to my investments? there's zero chance of that happening. avo: when you work with a schwab financial consultant, you'll get the guidance you need with the control you want. talk to us today. every day we're working to and to keep our commitments. and we've made a big commitment to america. bp supports nearly 250,000 jobs here.
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we have become all too used to violence in this country a brutal murder in oklahoma shocked the nation. a college student from australia in the u.s. was shot and killed while out for a jog. three teens picked him at random, shot him in the back and drove off because they say they were bored. we'll talk with oklahoma governor mary fallon in a few minutes. first, we want to get the latest on the case from the stevens county district attorney jason hicks. we are learning more, especially about one of the suspects, 15-year-old james edwards. he put videos on the web which we see him playing with a gun, flashing gang signs. he tweeted a number of racist messages including this one, "90% of white people are nasty, hash tag hate them," yet you say you don't intend to treat this as a race-related crime. sir, why not? >> well, good morning, chris. the reason that i'm not going to
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be treating this as a hate crime is as far as the evidence goes directly linked to the murder of christopher lane there is nothing inside the files and audio and reports we've been given that would lead us to believe christopher lane was killed simply because of his nationality or because of his race. in the state of oklahoma, our hate crime statute is a misdemeanor. i believe it's more important for us to focus on the death of christopher lane than to focus on the hate and whatnot that edwards spewed. with respect to those tweets, i don't have any evidence in my possession at this time that would allow me to prove that that account is actually owned by edwards or edwards was the one who actually tweeted those statements. >> let me ask but another aspect of this. we heard some shocking stories about these three suspects,
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callous indifference. is it true this 15-year-old james edwards was dancing at the police station while being booked for this murder? >> yes, that is true. i described that to the court on tuesday when i was asking the court to hold him without bail here inside the stevens county jail. the description would have been he was dancing, doing twirls, laughing and cutting up during the booking process. he thought the whole thing was a joke. >> which brings me to the big question. i don't know if you can answer it any better than we can. you see these suspects were running around the apartment complex they live playing violent video games and raising themselves. james edwards' mother is in jail. that is no excuse. is that part of the explanation? how have you wrapped your head around the idea these three young men were so utterly indifferent to life and death? >> i don't know i'll ever be
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able to wrap my mind completely around the why or how three individuals could have such a callous attitude and drive down the road and pull the trigger and take the life of somebody out for a jog. i don't know that i'll ever be able to give an explanation as to why there. some of the information that we have indicates they ran loose at an apartment complex here in duncan and really had no parental supervision and had a lot of time playing video games inside their home. to completely understand the why, i don't think i'll ever be able to do that because it's such a senseless act of violence. >> i want to go through a couple of questions about where we go from here? what's the time line when these three, you call them thugs, which is certainly not wrong, when these three will face trial? >> right. i think my description of them
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as thugs is actually right. i don't think they're children. they decided to play an adult game and have taken the life of another human being. as far as timeline goes, first part of october there will be preliminary hearing conferences for edwards and luna. then we'll have a preliminary hearing scheduled for jones at the first part of october, as well. anticipate getting through the preliminary hearings. then getting them to trial some time within 12 to 18 months. >> how strong a case do you think you have, mr. hicks? >> i think i've got a very strong case, otherwise we wouldn't be where we are today. >> briefly, if convicted, the two charges with first degree felony murder, edwards and luna, what's the maximum penalty they could face? >> life without parole. in oklahoma murder one charge carries life, life without parole or the death penalty. because of their age, prohibited by the united states supreme court from seeking the death
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penalty so the maximum for those two would be life without parole. >> mr. hicks, thank you so much for coming and talking with us today. thank you, sir. >> very good. thank you, chris. i spoke earlier with the governor of oklahoma mary fallon. >> governor, we associate these kind of cold-blooded murders with inner cities, not smalltown oklahoma. how much has this case shaken your state? >> it's absolutely shaken our state down to the core. it unimaginable, unbelievable that something this tragic could happen in the state of oklahoma, especially in one of our great communities in our state in duncan, oklahoma. we are all heart broken. we are shocked and just can't believe that something this horrible could happen to someone who was a very active member of the community, someone who was an active member of the student campus, beloved by his friends. our hearts and our prayers are
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with chris lane's family and especially the community of not only duncan, oklahoma, but the university where chris was a student. >> governor, the former deputy prime minister of australia has advised tourists they should boycott the united states to make a statement about gun control and some gun control advocates are making the same point. what do you think of attempts to link this murder to the easy availability of guns in your state? >> don't think this issue is about gun control. it's an issue about murder. it's an issue about three young men who did something very terrible to a very innocent bystander that was jogging through his community. it's very unfortunate what has happened. i certainly understand australia is very upset. people in oklahoma are very upset, too. people in the united states are
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very upset with what's happened because it's such a shock that anyone would do what they have done to chris lane. it's unfortunate australia feels that way. united states has been a great friend to australia. i certainly understand there are raw feelings out there certainly raw emotions. i think that is something that would be anticipated that people would have different concerns and different ideas about america itself. >> on the other hand, there are some people on the right who note civil rights leaders and president obama spoke out quite quickly about the trayvon martin case, and yet have remained silent in the case of christopher lane. on wednesday, 48 hours after this became international news, the white house spokesman was asked about the case. take a look. >> do you have any reaction to the christopher lane case?
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>> i'm not familiar with it, actually. >> governor, what do you make of the silence of people like al sharpton and quite frankly the silence of the president? >> well, i don't know what to think about that. i think it would be nice if our nation were to certainly express their condolences, how very sorry we are. this is a very unusual circumstance you don't anticipate that someone would create such a brutal crime upon an innocent person. i will tell you you have to the campus of u central university. i was able to shake hands of some of his colleagues and students and baseball players and expressed my condolences to the campus itself, faculty, students, the community. we are going to try to reach out to the family. i have the family's phone number. when time differences allow, i'm going to personally call the
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family in australia and hope i can get hold of them and visit with them and tell them how very, very sorry and sad the people of oklahoma are. >> excuse me, governor, do you think the president should speak out on this, as well? particularly given his involvement in the trayvon martin case? >> i think it would be a nice gesture for him to do that. especially since the country of australia has expressed their sentiments as to the murder itself. i think it would be a nice gesture for them to be able to do that. i know that's what i'm going to do. >> briefly, we have less an minute left. i'm going to ask you a big question. what on earth do you think would lead three teenagers to gun down a complete stranger because they say they were bored and had nothing to do? >> well, it's hard to get into the mind of those three teenagers. it's just unbelievable, unfathomable they would have a
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thought in their mind to gun down somebody so innocent, just taking a jog in the community. in america, we do have different families that are broken we have poverty rates. we have those that are uneducated. we have substance abuse issues. we certainly have a lot of video games and movies that depict violence in our society. that is something we as parents certainly, as community people should take at heart to always try to make things better in our communities for our families themselves. and certainly make things better in society. >> governor, i have to leave it there, obviously. a big discussion and we'll have to continue it. thank you for talking with us. >> you're welcome. thank you very much. up next 50 years after the march on washington. how far have we come? our sunday panel looks at martin luther king's message and civil rights in america.
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that's american ingenuity to find new roads. right now, get a 2013 chevrolet volt for around $269 per month. 50 years ago this week martin luther king jr led a march on washington to the steps of the lincoln memorial and delivered this iconic message. >> i have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. i have a dream today. >> so, where does the civil
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rights movement stand today? time to bring in our sunday group. former republican senator scott brown. kirs ten powers. on the one hand, 1970, there were 1,469 black elected officials in this country. now there are more than 10,500. in 1964, 26% of blacks 25 or older completed four years of high school. now that is 85%. the unemployment rate is now 6.6% for whites, 12.6% for blacks. black men are six times as likely as whites to spend time in prison. juan, as somebody who has written extensively over the civil rights movement this year, how far have we come what is
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left to do? >> i don't think there is any question we've come a long way. in personal terms my dad couldn't be sitting here on a major network talking about the news 50 years ago or 100 years before that, emancipation proclamation. you think of president obama, 50 years ago nobody would have said a black man could be president. or condoleezza rice as the face of america to the world. colin powell. you think of senator scott from south carolina, a black senator? or you think of goodness gracious, thurgood marshall on the court, clarence thomas. you've got to talk about family breakdown, the fact 70% of blacks are born out of wedlock.
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i think dr. king would cry. you've got to talk about there is a horrific dropout rate in the country, failure of urban schools. that's the civil rights challenge of this generation. and the culture. i was just listening to your interview with governor fallon. think about the culture. jay-z and his latest album. he's using the "n" word repeatedly. it's pornographic. it's invited for people to think authentic blackness you've got to be hip hop and hard. this is the tragedy of our day. >> david, where are we 50 years after "i have a dream?" >> not only 50 years after "i have a dream," chris but 270 years after the founding of this country. we reversed course on what was a worldwide tragedy. racism exists and we can't pretend it doesn't exists but can't pretend it exists everywhere. all the things juan talks about
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are true. we advanced to 2013. we need to tackle the new challenges. it's moral decay in this country. when it happens in the black community, it's not just the black community, it's the american community. what we see happen in any city in america, we see an epidemic. when you talk about the facts and the numbers, single parent birth rate, unemployment, failure to graduate, functional illiteracy in detroit. this is a major urban environment. a major failure. this shows the world america has made great strides and americans made great strides but we have a lot of challenges. we need to move into 2013 and take these views on in our current environment. education is the civil rights issue today what we do as a nation is we degrade and we lose our culture, our work force. we lose our ability.
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america is the land of opportunity. if you're not educated, you can't take advantage of that opportunity. >> you know, 50 years after the march on washington, one of the questions is how much longer the government should give special treatment to minorities? back in 2003 then justice sandra day o'connor was the swing vote upholding continued racial preference necessary college tuition. she said that should end back then in 25 years. she backed off that 25-year deadline. but at some point does affirmative action, does special treatment need to end? >> i think president obama addressed that before saying perhaps we should be looking more at economic inequality. we've made a lot of progress. obviously, we have an african-american president, a lot of people in high positions. pew asked americans how much progress they thought we made. only 45% thought we made real progress toward racial equality.
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african-americans are 32%. i think americans seem to be in agreement we have a long way to go. the march on washington was also about jobs. it was a march for jobs and freedom. pew also found for the past six decades african-american unemployment has been double that of white people. it's not something that's just happening in this economy. it's something that's been going on since the beginning of time. >> i guess the question i'm trying to get at, senator brown, at what point have we gone as far as the country, as the government needs to go in putting the thumb on the scale? it is 50 years after martin luther king's speech. there were hundreds of years in discrimination. when do we say, you're on your own. not this kind of special preference affirmative action. >> i think we are getting close.
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i agree with all the comments from the panel. we made huge strides. there are certain pockets still where there is inequality. there are disadvantages that need to be addressed. do we do that with government intervention, or educating our kids or youth, black on black violence, 90% plus. step back from glorifying the hip-hop movement and other types of movements that glorify violence. there are certain pockets, i think. we are getting very close to just letting americans, black, white, all races, colors and creeds move forth with all qualifications and stand on their merits. >> i think the largest argument of this day, this time is one that says, is it personal responsibility that would be the conservative take or is it the case there is systemic racism in this society that continues as a legacy of slavery and legal
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discrimination in our country. i think you've got to go at this point with taking personal responsibility for your family, your community, your neighborhood. just like sandra day o'connor, i don't believe white america, in fact a much more diverse america is going to allow affirmative action preference to exist. it doesn't exist in any great way in the fortune 500 now. people have this perception, and that's why the court ruled the way it did in terms of higher education in michigan and texas. i don't think that is going to exist. i think you need civil rights leaders to speak out against crime in the black community, to speak out against these hip-hop leaders, to say to kids, here is how you can make it in this country and stop thinking just because you're black there is a reason or excuse for not achieving. >> all right. we have to take a break here, when we come back, the ongoing split inside the gop how to stop obama care. first, get fox news' daily newsletters straight in your news box.
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i think there is far too much naval gazing and looking at polls, being scared of political consequences, stand up, do the right thing and lead and the politics will take care of itself. >> if you don't want to be a problem-solver, you're putting yourself ahead of the movement, you're putting your personal ambition in front of your patriotic duty. >> senators disagree how far is too far in opposing president obama's policies. we are back now with the panel. there was commentary this week that the gop is actually in worse shape with voters now than they were right after the election last november. the argument is for all the talk about learning lessons, post
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mortems they further alienated hispanics, women and guyays, th are stuck in an argument to shut down the government and defund obama care. >> i believe washington as a whole is dysfunctional. as a republican party, there needs to be room for a ted cruz, people like me, rand paul, others. we need to have the ability to share those great ideas and find a consensus and move our country forward. what i have found is that people are tired and fed up the devisiveness and lack of putting our country's interest ahead of personal and political interests. whether they shut down the government, that is what harry reid and chuck schumer want. that will show the republicans holding everything up. you're not going to get your paychecks and they'll throw it on us. obama care is not good.
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i voted to get rid of it three or four times we have it in massachusetts. unions are trying to get out of it. you have everybody trying to get waivers. it's crushing job creation, job growth. we need to find a way to do it better. >> house republican speaker john boehner held a conference call with its fellow house republicans this week. we wants to put off the fight over funding obama care offering a short-term spending bill to fund the government for a couple of months. the idea seems to be instead of threatening to shut down the government unless you defund obama care in september, get all these issues together and have one big fight over that and the debt limit in november. clearly, he wants to avoid any possibility of shutting down the government exactly because as senator brown says, he thinks it's going to end up hurting problems. do you think that is a smart political idea? >> the old guard is right on this. this is very much the new guard versus the old guard which makes
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it very interesting when you have rubio, rand paul, ted cruz on one side and mccain, coburn, boehner on the other side. what they are disagreeing about is tactics. all republicans agree you should defund obama care. it's just a question of how. i suspect the new guard thinks if they don't shut down the government that it's probably not going to get defunded. while i disagree with them substantively what they are trying to do, i think there is something refreshing in the fact they seem to stand up on what they believe, not just this issue, but a lot of issues, and that is something, frankly, i can't hardly think of anyone in the democratic party who behaves like any of these three men who really have challenged the party on a lot of issues. >> david, to pick up on this question, the old guard versus the new guard, the new guard, more conservative republicans, the so-called tea party faction say they don't want to put off this fight until november. they want to fund obama care,
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willing to shut down the government and have it now. you can argue whether it's the courage of their convictions, but is that going to end up hurting the republican party, not helping it? >> no one knows. everyone is trying to determine the outcome of this, chris. when you look at the old guard versus the new guard. we had an old guard in washington that has become the political class. the political class has been there for 30 years on both sides the aisle plus. they have no new voices, no new input. they're just simply functioning within a system that is very big, and frankly, slow to move. washington, d.c., does not work well with comprehensive anything. obama care, comprehensive bills. look at putting these fights together in one comprehensive fight. why are we not tackling solutions, finding solutions incrementally on issue, whether it's border security, energy poll circumstance immigration, continued resolutions. we have a political class, in america, it's americans versus
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the political class because we now have basically a group of all the guards who decide our future based on the old guard and the new guard or the new voices need to be heard. the reagan principle. we need a big tent we need to bring everyone in. this is an american problem, not a republican or democratic problem. >> if you're saying we don't do well with comprehensive reforms, does that mean we shouldn't have a comprehensive rollback instead of saying defund obama care and shut down the government, maybe go after obama care in bits and pieces? >> obama care you use everything you can in washington to get rid of it, incrementally, comprehensively, you use every trick, every tool. this is a train wreck for the american people. as senator brown talked about, whether it's unions, waivers, ups, all these decisions are being made on obama care and are hurting our economy. they will continue to hurt our economy. this is a multitrillion nightmare down the road.
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>> there were some more big bumps in the road for obama care this week. let's put some of them up. ups and the university of virginia say they will no longer cover working spouses because of the cost of health insurance under obama care. some companies say they will have to raise premiums to cover obama care. delta airlines said this could cost them $100 million a year, the increased cost of obama care, which raises the question. forget the politics and republican party, could the fact of the implementation when the rubber hits the road could obama care be a big political burden for democrats? in that sense maybe republicans should sit back and let it happen? >> i think the big problem here is the dysfunction we've been talking about. it's not with obama care. every major social program we had roll out in american history, social security, medicare, medicaid, things so popular today, they all had bumps in the road. they are major programs.
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you can anticipate that with obama care. i think republicans are making a huge mistake if they think this is going to somehow rebound to their benefit. "wall street journal" had a poll about two weeks ago. most americans say, this is going to happen. there is no way you are going to turn this around at this point. there is a democratic majority in the senate, there is president obama democrat in the white house, they are not going to allow to you defund or do away with obama care. that is ridiculous. >> this isn't a bump in the road, it's a giant sinkhole in look how the reality how obama care was passed. this was a party line vote. it was not based on fixing the system. there is something americans need to realize here. while it's only 2,000 something pages, which is ridiculous in nature, regulations are somewhere near 19,000 pages. this is a train wreck. >> this is no train wreck. if republicans were serious. >> don't they make it better? 40 votes to try to veto it, not
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one vote for an alternative that says here is how we can make it better. >> that is not true. >> name one program, one time they voted on -- >> with all due respect, when i got there as the 41st senator, we tried to fix it and they would not bring up -- all the amendments they would bring up, they would not move it forward. they knew if we opened up and passed one amendment, the whole bill would fail. it's a mess. it's a train wreck. democrats and republicans are saying it's a train wreck. individual states should have the ability to determine the kind of health care they want. the federal government should not make that determination for. states. crushing jobs, 18 new taxes. we are in deep trouble with it. we should be focusing on debt, deficit, taxes, spending, jobs, national security. >> you were seen at the iowa state fair -- >> go right to your belly. >> i don't need anything that goes right to my belly.
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are you going to run for president? >> i'm going to focus on taking my messages as our panel here said. right now there needs to be room for everybody in our tent in order for us to be effective. i'm going to travel around the country and see what happens. >> thank you, panel. see you next week. it was not a no remember our discussion continues every sunday on panel plus. find it on fox news and follow us on twitter. our power player of the week, the new mascot of the u.s. marine corps. every day we're working to be an even better company -
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i can always tell how good our power player is by how many members of our staff want to go to the interview. everyone wanted to go back in march when we first ran this story. so once again, enjoy our "power player of the week." ♪ meet sergeant chesty the xiii, mascot of the marines. this evening establish bulldog is the face of the corps. >> the mascot is involved in a number of official functions here in washington, d.c. >> we are proud to introduce the official mascot of the marine barracks washington, d.c., sergeant chesty xiii. >> engaging with government officials. when we bring guests here, he is
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one of the most popular figures. >> captain jack norton is the public affairs officer at the marine barracks which makes him chesty's spokesman. >> sometimes they are tough to get along with. sometimes they are grouchy. at the end of the day they are going to be there for you and accomplish the mission. >> there is about to be the changing of the guard. chesty will retire this summer. recruit chesty in boot camp is expected to become a private in april training to take his place. >> he's getting history classes. he's been through the home of the commandants. he's getting indoctrinated into the esprit de corps. >> as for recruit chesty, let's say he's got a ways to go to match off to the sergeant. >> we are looking at him to mentor this young recruit and set a positive example for him. >> he's got big paws to fill.
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>> the mascot tradition goes back to world war i when they called the marines devil dogs. in 1957 they changed the mascot's name to chesty after lieutenant general louis chesty puller, the most decorated marine ever. they take all this seriously. >> we have had him busted back in rank before. >> how do the dogs take it? >> marines don't take it well when they get demoted. it's a message we can't have a mascot biting, barking, doing things they are not supposed to do. >> that is exactly what sergeant chesty did last summer when he went after defense secretary panetta's dog at the friday evening parade. >> he barked and lashed out at bravo. it was a tense moment. >> this is challenging civilian control of the military. >> this was right in front of the secretary of defense and
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commandant of the marine corps. >> there was speculation sergeant chesty was being forced out. >> he was promoted to sergeant after that. there is no truth to the rumor there is a forced retirement. >> whatever the reason this pup should be the new mascot chesty xiv by late august with as many as five public events each week. >> chesty is a great way to represent the more than 200,000 marine sailors and civilians who make up our corps. he's got a very important job. we are happy to have him. >> sergeant chesty is in his final week as the marine mascot private first class chesty is being promoted to lance corporatal and will take over his official duties on wednesday. that is one good-looking marine. that's it for today. have a great week. we'll see you next "fox news sunday." .
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discover the champion in you! . . (applause) well, god bless you. it's always a joy to come into your homes. if you're ever in our area please stop by and be a part of one of our services. these are the finest people in all of houston, texas right here at lakewood. (cheering) we'd love to have you. but thanks for tuning in today and thank you again for coming out. i like to start with something funny. i heard about this new police recruit. he was taking his final exam. he was in front of this large classroom. the sergeant asked him, "what would you do if you had to arrest your own mother-in-law?" without missing a beat he said, "call for backup." (laughter/applause)
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say it like you mean it. this is my bible. i am what it says i am. i have what it says i have. i can do what it says i can do. today i will be taught the word of god. i boldly confess: my mind is alert. my heart is receptive. i will never be the same. in jesus' name. god bless you. i want to talk to you today about say so. words have creative power. when you speak something out you give life to what you're saying. it's one thing to believe that you're blessed. that's important. but when you say, "i am blessed," it takes on a whole new meaning. that's when blessings come looking for you. the scripture says, "let the redeemed of the lord say so." it doesn't say, "let the redeemed think so, or believe so or hope so." that's all good but you have to take it one step further and say so.
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if you're going to go to the next level you've got to say so. if you're going to accomplish a dream, overcome an obstacle, break an addiction, you've got to start declaring it. it has to come out of your mouth. that's how you give life to your faith. when god created the worlds he didn't just think them into being. he didn't just believe there would be light and land and oceans and animals. he had it in his heart but nothing happened until he spoke. he said, "let there be light," and light came. his thoughts didn't set it into motion. his words set it into motion. it's the same principle today. you can believe all day long and not see anything happen. you can have faith in your heart, big dreams, be standing on god's promises and never see anything change. what's the problem? nothing happens until you speak.
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instead of just believing you're going to get out of debt, you've got to say so. declare every day, "i'm coming out of debt. i'm the head and not the tail. god's favor surrounds me like a shield." when you speak, just like when god spoke, things begin to happen. opportunities will find you. good breaks, promotion, ideas, will track you down. instead of just thinking, "i hope i get over this illness. joel, i'm praying i'll get better." that's good but you've got to take it one more step and start declaring it. i'm strong. i'm healthy. i will live and not die. with long life god is going to satisfy me. that's what activates your faith. instead of just hoping you have a good year, instead of just hoping that you accomplish your dreams. hope is good but nothing happens until you speak. before you leave the house every
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day declare it: "2013 is my year. things have shifted in my favor. god is about to show me something that i've never seen." when you talk like that the angels go to work, opening up new doors, lining up the right people, arranging things in your favor. all of us are hoping, believing, praying about something. my question today is, "are you giving life to your faith by speaking it out?" psalm 91 says, "i will say of the lord, 'he is my refuge, my fortress, my shield.'" the next verse says, "he will deliver me, protect me, cover me." notice the connection. i will say and he will do. it doesn't say, "i believe he is my refuge. i believe he will be my strength." no, the psalmist went around declaring it, speaking it out, "the lord is my refuge.
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the lord is my strength." notice what happened. god became his refuge, his strength. god was saying in effect, "if you're bold enough to speak it, then i'm bold enough to do it." have you ever declared that your dreams are coming to pass? have you ever said, "i will pay off my house? i will start my own business. i will get my degree. i will lose this weight. i will see my family restored." whatever god has put in your heart it needs to get in your conversation. talk like it's going to happen. talk like it's already on the way, "when i get married, when i graduate from college, when i see my family restored." not if it's going to happen but when it's going to happen. that's your faith being released. one of our staff members had been trying for a long, long time to have a baby; over ten years. no success. one day we were in a staff
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meeting planning out the next year. she made the statement, "when i have my baby i'm going to be out for a couple of months. we'll have to find somebody to fill in." well, i thought she was pregnant and nobody had told me. so i didn't act surprised or say anything. after the meeting, my sister lisa was in there as well, i said, "lisa, why didn't you tell me she was pregnant?" she said, "joel, she's not pregnant. she just talks like it's going to happen." this went on for years, "when i have my baby. when i get pregnant. when my child shows up." what was she doing? saying so. she didn't just believe it. she was aring it. in theatural she was getting too old to have a baby. her doctors told her it wasn't going to happen. it looked impossible. most people would have given up and accepted it. but not this lady. she kept saying so, kept declaring it, "when my baby shows up."
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do you know twenty years later she gave birth not to one baby but to two. she had twins. she declared of the lord and god did what he promised. (applause) but think about the opposite of psalm 91, "i will not say of the lord and he will not do." that's the principle. nothing happens until you speak. when we were trying to acquire this facility, victoria and i would drive around it night after night and say, "that's our building. father, thank you for fighting our battles. lord, thank you that you are making a way where we don't see a way." we didn't just think about it, pray about it, believe that it would happen. and that's all important but we took one more step and declared that it was ours. it became a part of our everyday conversation. at the dinner table, "when we get the compaq center we could do this. when we renovate it,
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when we move in, when we have the grand opening." not, "i don't know, victoria. it's going to be very expensive. where are we going to get the funds? i don't know. the opponents, they're really, really strong." no, we said of the lord, like the psalmist, "god, we know you are bigger than any obstacle. we know you are supplying all of our needs. lord, we know if you be for us who dare be against us?" we declared it and god did it. what are you saying of the lord? "well, joel. my problems are really big today. my dreams look impossible. my marriage is so messed up. we'll never be restored." no, don't talk about how big your problem is. talk about how big your god is. when you say of the lord, "you're my healer, my way maker, my dream giver, my restorer, my vindicator, my health, my peace, my victory," that's when god will show up
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and do more than you can ask or think. i have some friends that were believing to have another child. they have a daughter but they really wanted to have a son. every time the wife got pregnant she had a miscarriage. this happened five times in nine years. they were very discouraged and tempted to give up. the man's name is joe. he had gone by joe his whole life. but one day he read where his full name, joseph, means, "god will add." when he saw that, something came alive on the inside. he knew god was saying, "i'm going to add to you a son. he remembered the story in the scripture where god changed abram's name to abraham, which means, "father of many nations." god gave abraham a child, a son, at a very old age when it looked impossible. joe decided to go back to using his original name.
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he told his family, his friends, coworkers, "don't call me joe anymore. call me joseph." they thought he was having a midlife crisis. (laughter) but every time someone said, "hello joseph," they were saying, "god will add." they were speaking victory over his life. he kept saying so, declaring it. about six months later his wife became pregnant with a baby boy. for the first time in ten years she carried him full term. the baby was born healthy and whole. as a testimony to god's goodness they named that little boy joseph, "god will add." (applause) well, let me ask you are you declaring victory over your life, over your family, over your career? nothing happens until you speak. when you get up in the morning you need to make some declarations of faith. whatever god has put in your
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heart declare that it will come to pass. i say every day, "i am increasing in the anointing, in wisdom, in favor and in influence. every message is getting better. god is taking our ministry where no ministry has ever gone." you've got to speak favor into your future. i declare every day, "my children will fulfill their destinies. their gifts and talents will come out to the full. they will supersede anything that we've done." ever since i took over for my father i have said, "when people turn me on, on television, they cannot turn me off." do you know how many letters i get from people that say, "joel, i was flipping through the channels. i don't like tv preachers. i never watch tv preachers but when i turned you on i couldn't turn you off." (applause) i think to myself, "i called you in. i said so."
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one man wrote and told how his wife tried to get him to watch the program for many, many years but he wouldn't do it. one day he was flipping through the channels. he came across our program. normally he would flip by it very quickly. but for some reason this day his remote control stopped working and he got stuck on our program. he was so frustrated. he finagled with it. ended up changing the batteries. it still wouldn't work. he said, "joel, even though i tried to act like i wasn't listening you were speaking directly to me." the funny thing is, when our program was over the remote control went back to working just fine. he said, "now i never miss one of your programs." when you declare favor over your life, over your future, god will make things happen that should have never happened. our attitude should be, "i'm coming out of debt and i'm saying so. 2013 is my year
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and i'm saying so. i will overcome every obstacle and i'm saying so." when i first started ministering i was very nervous and very intimidated. i knew i was supposed to step up and pastor the church but i'm naturally more quiet and reserved. i didn't know if i could get up here, really, and speak and minister in front of people. during the week negative thoughts would bombard my mind. i would go and stand in front of a mirror and talk to myself. i would say, "joel, you are strong. you are well able. you have what it takes. you are anointed. you are talented. you can do this." at that time nothing that i was saying was true. i was not strong or confident. i did not feel talented, anointed, well able. but as i kept saying it, day after day, month after month, things started to change. i began to become what
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i was saying. over time it became a reality. here's the key; what you keep saying you are moving toward. you may be struggling in your finances but when you keep declaring, "i'm blessed. i'm prosperous. i have the favor of god," every time you say it you're moving toward increase. you're getting closer to seeing that come to pass. you may be facing a sickness. it doesn't look good. but every time you declare, "i'm healthy. i'm strong. i'm getting better." you're moving toward health, wholeness, victory. or perhaps you're struggling with an addiction. every time you declare, "i am free. this addiction does not control me." you're moving toward freedom. you're moving toward breakthroughs. now here's the catch. this works in the positive and in the negative.
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if you're always saying, "i am so unlucky. i never get any good breaks," you're moving toward bad breaks, more disappointment. "joel, my back has been hurting for three years. i don't think i'll ever get well." you're moving toward more sickness, more pain. or, "i've been through so much. i don't think i'll ever be happy again." moving toward more discouragement, more sadness. if you will change what you're saying, you will change what you're seeing. the scripture says, "call the things that are not as if they already were." a lot of times we do just the opposite. we call the things that are as if they will always be that way. in other words, we just describe the situation. "man, gas is so high. i don't see how i'm going to make it." you're calling in more struggle, more lack. "i can't stand my job. my boss gets on my nerves."
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you're calling in more frustration, more defeat. don't use your words to describe the situation. use your words to change the situation. if i would have just complained about how nervous and intimidated i was, if i would have gone around saying, "you know, i can't do this. i'm afraid. i don't have what it takes." if i would have described the situation i wouldn't be standing here today. if you want to know what you're going to be like five years from now, listen to what you are saying about yourself. you are prophesying your future. five years from now my messages are going to be better than they are right now. and don't you say, "thank god." (laughter) five years from now i'm going to be stronger, healthier, wiser, better looking. (laughter) our daughter alexandra had a
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copy of my first book from ten years ago the other day and a copy of my newest book. she was comparing the pictures on the cover. she said, "wow, daddy! you look better today than you did ten years ago." i said, "what would you like me to buy you?" (laughter) but do you know how many times i have said, "i'm getting stronger, healthier, wiser. my youth is being renewed like the eagles." every time you say it you're moving toward it. (applause) but if you're always saying, "man, i'm so out of shape. i'll never lose this weight," you're moving toward the wrong thing. a gentleman told me last week. he looked to be about 70. "joel, when you get old it's all downhill." that was his say so. he was declaring, "i'm going down." he was calling in poor health, lack of vision, hard of hearing. if he keeps that up he'll keep moving toward it. by the way he looked he had already been saying it for a long time. (laughter)
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and i realize we're all going to get old. we're all eventually going to die but don't make plans to go downhill. don't start speaking defeat over your life. moses was 120 years old and the scripture says, "his eye was not dim, his natural strength not abated." 120. healthy. strong. 20/20 vision. didn't have glasses. wasn't wearing a "help! i've fallen and i can't get up" button around his chest. he had a clear memory, a strong, sharp mind. i know i'm going to get a letter on that one, but- (laughter) here's what i'm saying. in spite of how you feel, in spite of what's been passed down in your family line, every day you need to declare, "everything about me is getting better and better: my bones, my joints, my ligaments,
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my blood, my organs, my memory, my vision, my hearing, my talent, my skill, my looks, my skin. my youth is being renewed. like moses, i will finish my course with my eye not dim, my natural strength not abated." you talk like that; you're moving toward renewed youth, health, energy, vitality. that's a lot better than getting up in the morning, looking in the mirror and saying, "oh, man. i'm getting so old. look at these wrinkles. look how bad i look. this gray hair. i'm so out of shape." you keep moving toward that, in five years, it's going to be scary. (laughter) you need to have a better say so. don't talk about the way you are. talk about the way you want to be. you are prophesying your future. maybe you're in a difficult time today. instead of complaining, that's just going to draw in more defeat.
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your declaration should be, "i have grace for this season. i am strong in the lord. those that are for me are greater than those that are against me." when you say that strength comes. courage comes. confidence comes. endurance comes. you go through a disappointment, a bad break, a loss. "i don't know how this has happened to me, joel. it's so unfair." no, that's just going to draw in more self-pity. your declaration should be, "god promised me beauty for ashes, joy for mourning. i'm not staying here. i'm moving forward. new beginnings are in my future. the rest of my life will be the best of my life." you talk like that and you're moving toward double for your trouble. you're moving away from self-pity and toward god's goodness in a new way. one of the best things we can do is take a few minutes every morning and make these positive
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declarations over our lives. write down not only your dreams, your goals, your vision, but make a list of any area you want to improve in, anything you want to see changed. put that list on your bathroom mirror, somewhere private. before you leave the house take a couple of minutes and declare that over your life. in other words, if you struggle with your self-esteem, feeling less than, you need to declare every day, "i am confident. i am valuable. i am one of a kind. i have royal blood flowing through my veins. i am wearing a crown of favor. i am a child of the most high god." you declare that and you'll go out with your shoulders back, with your head held high. you struggle with your weight, declare, "i am in shape. i am healthy. i'm full of energy. i weigh what i should weigh."
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it may not be true right now but you keep saying it and you're going to move toward it." (applause) instead of living guilty, condemned, focused on past mistakes, no; declare, "i am forgiven. i am redeemed. i'm wearing a robe of righteousness. god is pleased with me." see, the scripture says, "let the weak say, 'i'm strong.'" it doesn't say, "let the weak talk about the weakness. discuss the weakness. call five friends and explain the weakness." no, you cannot talk defeat and expect to have victory. you can't talk sickness and expect to have health. you can't talk lack and struggle and expect to have abundance. you've got to send your words out in the direction you want your life to go. when you're in a tough time, somebody asks you how you're doing, don't go through a sad song of everything that's wrong in your life. "oh, man. my back's been hurting. traffic is so bad out
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today. boss isn't treating me right. dishwasher broke. goldfish died. dog doesn't like me." (laughter) all that's going to do is draw in more defeat. turn it around. have a report of victory. how are you doing? "i'm blessed. i'm healthy. i'm prosperous. i have the favor of god." (applause) what you consistently talk about, you're moving toward. proverbs 6 says, "we are snared by the words of our mouth." could it be if you would simply change what you're saying you would see a dream come to pass, a breakthrough, a healing, restoration? that's what happened to a friend of mine. she had smoked cigarettes from an early age. she had tried again and again but she just could not stop. she was constantly saying, "i'll never break this addiction. it's too hard. and even if i do i know i will gain so much weight." this went on for years. one day someone told her what
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i'm telling you, to change what she was saying, to call things that are not as if they were. she started saying, "i don't like to smoke. i can't stand the taste of nicotine. i'm going to quit and not gain any extra weight." she said that day after day. even when she was smoking and enjoying it, she would say, "i can't stand to smoke." she wasn't talking about the way she was. she was talking about the way she wanted to be. about three months later one morning she noticed the cigarette tasted funny, almost bitter. she thought she got a bad pack. it got worse and worse. several months later it had gotten so bad she couldn't stand it anymore. she stopped smoking and do you know she never gained one extra pound? today she is totally free. she broke that addiction, in part, by the power of her words. she prophesied her future.
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some of you, like her, have spent years saying negative things over your life. "i can't break this addiction, joel. my marriage is never going to make it. i'll never get out of debt." no, you've got to send your words out in a new direction. you are prophesying the wrong thing. get in a habit of making these positive declarations over your life. every day declare that your dreams are coming to pass. it's not enough to just believe it. nothing happens until you speak. like the psalmist, when you say of the lord, god will do what he promised. let me lead you in a few of these declarations today. say it like you mean it. "i am blessed." (i am blessed.) "i am prosperous." (i am prosperous.) "i am strong." (i am strong.) "i am healthy." (i am healthy.) "i am talented." (i am talented.) "i am creative." (i am creative.) "i am confident." (i am
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confident.) "i am secure." (i am secure.) "i am disciplined." (i am disciplined.) "i am focused." (i am focused.) "i am attractive." (i am attractive.) "i am well liked." (i am well liked.) "i have a good personality." (i have a good personality.) "the right people are in my future." (the right people are in my future.) "the right opportunities are headed my way." (the right opportunities are headed my way.) "i will accomplish my dreams." (i will accomplish my dreams.) "i will overcome every obstacle." (i will overcome every obstacle.) "2013 is my year." (2013 is my year.) "things have shifted in my favor." (things have shifted in my favor.) "god is about to show me something." (god is about to show me something.) "that i have never seen." (that i have never seen.) "it's going to be bigger." (it's going to be bigger.) "better." (better.) "greater." (greater.) "than i ever imagined." (than i ever imagined.) "i am the redeemed of the lord." (i am the redeemed of the lord.) "and i say so today." (and i say so today.) "in jesus' name." (in jesus' name.)
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amen and amen. (cheering/applause) well, we never like to close our broadcasts without giving you an opportunity to make jesus the lord of your life. would you pray with me? just say, "lord jesus, i repent of my sins. come in to my heart. i make you my lord and savior." friends, if you prayed that simple prayer we believe you got born again. get in a good bible-based church. keep god first place. he is going to take you places that you've never dreamed of. . joel and victoria would like to send you a copy of joel's new series, "further faster" as a thank you for your support of our ministry. in this encouraging series, you'll be challenged to put god first and see how god can speed up things in your life. god is going to take you further, faster. god wants to accelerate things in your life. he's already lined up the right people, the right opportunities. you may feel like you're falli behind.
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but one touch of god's favor can put you years ahead. god has ways to do things that you've never even thought of. stay in faith. he's going to take you further, faster. i hope you request this resource, it'll be a great help to you. to request your copy of "further faster, god's plan forf "further acceleration in your life," visit us at or call us toll free. . . . victoria and i are praying for you and your family. we believe 2013 is going to be your best year so far. thanks so much for your prayer and your support. a special thank you to our champion of hope partners for all you do to make the ministry possible. . . from #1 new york times bestselling author, joel osteen, comes his new book, "i declare, 31 promises to speak over your life." if you want to know what you're going to be like five years from now, just listen to what you're saying about yourself today. the words we speak set the course for our life.
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i've written 31 declarations, one for each day for you to speak faith, favor, and victory over your future. "i declare", now available at
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